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Right? Like it was fun theorizing with the images we have been given, but we didn't actually want to find out until the episode actually aired!

That everything could have been a mystery!

It doesn't even have to be about our theories, just us being excited to see what happens next!

i saw the trailer

i'm not gonna say anything

but at the end they spoiled a pretty big point in the episode and lemme tell y'all

it sucks a lot.

I agree, it is just the excitement is dampened due to prior knowledge of what is to be shown in the episode.

I still hope the episode will still have a bunch of surprises, but when the spoiler comes around, it probably won't be the same level of excitement as the other surprises, especially with a spoiler that significant. It probably just won't feel the same as if you just experienced it along with everything else.

I still plan on watching the episode open-minded and having fun and being excited of what is to be shown, along with what has already been shown in the trailer.

here's my take about the Wishmaker Spoiler TM:

below the cut because spoilers

the reason why the couffaines have been so much on screen this season leads up to this moment.

the reason why Nino and Alya are shown to be spilling secrets leads up to this moment.

If it turns out that Luka knows about both, that means Adrien FINALLY has someone on his corner. AND THOSE ARE GREAT FRIGGIN NEWS MY DUDES. Because what luck! it's the guy that has made it his friggin mission to get Mari and him together.

It's the guy that has been asking Marinette to be honest. It's the guy that coincidentally, has the traits and character that could potentially reach out to Adrien and encourage him to do the same. He's the guy that values honesty, but has kept what few secrets Marinette has entrusted him with. He's the guy that ADRIEN HIMSELF recommended as a "second chance" for the snake Miraculous.

what do you mean he's not a good pick? he's an excelent pick.

boy bouta go like: "you want me to keep a secret? bet. Adrien bestie, u need a shoulder to cry on? Say less my dude."

AND LIKE CAN WE REMEMBER?? THE FACT?? THAT HE WAS ALSO MARI'S SHOULDER TO CRY ON ABOUT "RESPONSIBILITIES" BACK IN S3? WOULDN'T IT BE A GREAT PARALLEL?? IF HE'S THE FIRST ONE TO BACK ADRIEN UP???

No no no no no no no no no no no

I need someone to defend the "Adrien is NOT a sentimonster theory in light of this evidence and PLEASE tag me in it.

I don't even agree with how astruc explained some stuff, that doesn't make that whole lot of sense and could be refuted with what has been shown on the show or specials.

His insistence on the plausibility of the pro-senti theory (at least the mechanics of ot based on the people's questions) kind of scares me. I know he probably wants to defend and correct the specifics of certain points in the show with what he and crew intended and with how they are operating the rules (sorry it sounds confusing but I hope I'm understood).

I really hate the idea of Adrien being a sentimonster.

So….I missed some tweets from Astruc’s sentimonster thread that might alleviate the discourse I keep seeing;

Deleted tweet: “if adrien was a sentimonster aeon wouldn’t have been able to see him in the ny special case closed <3″

Thomas’ response (translation): That rule doesn’t exist.

Question regarding whether or not sentimonsters could reproduce thead:

Regarding the ability to sense a sentimonster—the peacock wielder can only sense an amok (the object used to control), not the sentimonster itself (i.e. Nathalie/Gabriel wouldn’t be able to sense Chat/Adrien is a sentimonster under their control).

Additionally, he has frequently referred to Adrien being perfect in the past, so this response parallels that/the situation with Marinette.

I’ve said this before, but I hate the “Adrien is a Sentimonster” theory. I absolutely hate it. It doesn’t do anything except make the story worse and send a really fucked up message about Adrien’s character actually.

On the surface, I get the shock factor behind the show revealing him to be a secret sentimonster, but that’s where all the appeal of that idea ends and then immediately burns into a dumpster fire.

Adrien’s whole story is centered around his autonomy and how it’s something he isn’t ever allowed to have unless he goes against the wishes of everyone around him.

Making him a sentimonster is revealing that “no, he actually never had it to begin with, and the idea that autonomy is something he could ever really have is flawed because anyone with the peacock miraculous regardless of who has it could potentially very easily just take it all away from him in an instant, and there’s not a damn thing he can do about it.”

I think that’s kinda fucked up actually, why would someone want that?

plis

No because I know episode 5 is technically filler, I hope its not "useless filler" and actually contributes something to the series, like world development, some kind of character development, or maybe a message that needs to be told or something.

Hopefully we see some of the effects of Umbrella scene 2 on Marinette and Adrien because that scene felt a little underwhelming, especially after seeing everyone losing their minds over it on the internet.

I know that the Umbrella Scene 2 was supposed to mainly showcase how Marinette was taking Alya's advice (I think the theme of ep 4), listening to Kagami, show the friendship of Adrienette, as well subtly show the control Gabriel still has over Adrien (all of these which are very good points), considering what we have seen throughout Mr Pigeon 72, and how the fandom lost their minds in regards to seeing U.S.2 as romantic Adrienette development, I just don't really see why umbrella scene 2 was so significant in regards to romantic Adrienette development and felt the payoff for it at the end of the episode sort of lacked in that area.

Like I said earlier, I want to see some effects of Umbrella Scene 2 in Psychocomedian, whether it be platonic or romantic, though I hope its mostly platonic with some romance between Marinette and Adrien.

And expanding further, it would be cool to see the effects of the Umbrella Scene 2 on them individually, it doesn't really have to relate all that much to the other idk.

I know I have rambled but I tried to explain my feelings on this matter.

I also want to see Psychocomedian before the final episodes air because I am afraid it would hold no importance at all to the season

poor psychomedian no one cares about that episode anymore lmao

I want this to happen so bad now and love your tags

You fools. You absolute morons.

If you think Marinette Dupain-Cheng and Adrien Agreste are going to date post reveal, you’re wrong.

Clearly, they will date in their civilian identities when Adrien tries to move on from Ladybug, but Marinette will break it off because she discovers she loves Chat.

Then, ladybug will confess to a heartbroken chat noir and they will date as superheroes, which Chat will break off because he still loves Marinette.

THEN, Chat and Mari won’t date eachother because that whole superhero and civilian thing won’t work out. And then Mari and Adrien find that they also still love their old crushes.

Chaos ensues. It’s ridiculous, utterly ridiculous. And until they reach this point, the reveal won’t happen. As this is when they love both sides of eachother and this is where the writing will peak.

Mari and Adrien will be a mess in trying to decide. And the reveal will wrap it up in a nice little bow :)

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

And no I will not take constructive criticism.

I can't speak on this confidently, as we haven't seen the episode "Gabriel" yet, but I think Adrien's growing resentment towards Ladybug is meant to parallel Gabriel's pipeline into becoming Hawkmoth.

I have also come to the conclusion that Adrien's whole character arc is revolved around the duality of the power of destruction, which I get is obvious, but hear me out. While destruction can cause chaos and harm to others, it also plays a necessary part in tearing down oppressive forces.

Let's talk about this scene.

What this scene has communicated to us is, despite the two of them having seemingly opposite personalities, Adrien is indeed Gabriel's son. What I mean by this is that the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree; both have a tendency to get caught up on their projected fantasies involving the people they love.

The position Gabriel is in right now, being Hawkmoth and all, is a direct result of him being unable to process his grief. Much like Adrien and his fantasy of Ladybug, Gabriel clings onto the fantasy of a "better world" with Emilie to cope with his grief and reconcile his guilt. Consequently, Gabriel has now become Paris' biggest threat and he's dealing out collateral damage onto his family (i.e. Adrien and Nathalie).

Adrien is at risk of falling down the same path; Adrien's grief has led to him becoming emotionally dependent on his romantic fantasy involving Ladybug. Even after everything he went through in this episode, this poor boy is still clinging to this damn fantasy for dear life.

Right now, even after everything that happened in Glaciator 2.0, Adrien is still stuck on this cycle of hoping Ladybug will one day fall for him, Ladybug rejecting him and inevitably breaking his heart, him getting depressed and lashing out because of it, him and ladybug reconciling, and then Adrien slipping back into the fantasy again to rinse and repeat.

In order for Adrien to truly develop as a character, he needs to break the cycle. He needs to break the cycle of damage his father is doing to the environment (as demonstrated in Mega Leech), he needs to break the cycle of complacency in his life, and he needs to break the cycle of enabling his father's actions. In order to do that, he needs to stand up to his father and get him to break the same cycle within himself.

If Adrien can't break the cycle, he's going to succumb to it and end up just like his father... or worse.

Because I can already hear them whining about it: the problem wasn't that Chat Noir didn't listen to Rena Rouge, the problem was that he wasn't told the plan.

That's why he listened to Marinette. Not because he likes her or something but because she informed him of what Rena Rouge was planning.

might be a hot take but “marinette/ladybug’s actions hurt adrien and she could/should learn to be more gentle” and “marinette dupain-cheng has been tossed an incredibly stressful and heavy role without any choice in the matter and no means of getting out of it (without losing all of her memories and passing the responsibility and burden on to someone else) and is doing the best she can to make what she, a fourteen-year-old with no current guidance, believes are the best decisions for the team” are two truths that coexist

Did Gabriel actually cry?

This was his worst emotional breakdown, holy shit. I want more of him crying over his wife because it actually shows he cares about someone?? Makes him more vulnerable? This man who usually doesn’t even show affection towards his own son.

(Can we also take note that both him and Adrien smash things when they’re mad? That’s so scary.)

So we just gonna ignore homegirl lowkey dying over here 👀

I’ve never seen so much emotion on marinettes face and its terrifying.

The breathing? The blush from crying?? The sheer and utter panic? all of it. its such a perfect scene that we NEEDED.

I keep thinking about how the reason ladybug felt the thunder at the time she did was bc I think she really has thought all along Chat Noir liked her bc he saw all her accomplishments and even if he was resilient she would inevitably push him away, and thus she worked in s4 to do it faster so it’d hurt less later.

And then when he sees her make possibly almost the biggest mistake she could’ve made (just behind losing the Ladybug or Black Cat) and still stands by her side she realizes she was wrong all along.

Because Chat Noir loves her BECAUSE she makes mistakes and tries SO hard anyway. He loves her resilience through all her hardships and mistakes. He loves that she MAKES MISTAKES to begin with.

Knowing who Adrien is, it makes SENSE that he’d be enamored with someone so imperfect who pushes through it anyway to achieve incredible and miraculous things because that’s what he wishes HE could do. In the depths of his heart he knows they’re both terrified all the time but as long as they can pick themselves back up they WILL and that’s what he loves so so much about her. It’s not that she’s never terrified its because she ALWAYS is and does it anyway, because so is he every day.

Marinette never understood that because she HAS NO IDEA that Chat Noir is always terrified. She has No Clue. Because to her he’s the most brave and resilient person she’s ever fucking met.

Let me tell you about a miracle that happened to me. So, I was off Instagram, Tumblr and Pinterest- basically all my sources of miraculous info. And just like that, on 25th September morning I woke up and installed ig again and came to know that a frickin special episode was being aired that same day! Like, what were the chances?!!

Onto my take on the episode (that no one asked for) (SPOILER ALERT):

- character growth (Mari) - 100%

- CUTE adrienette moments (soooo many)

- Adrien's bodyguard- a precious, precious man

- they had to show so much and yet didn't forget to include kagami, Luka, Lila (that bitch)

- Sabrina and her romantic tryst

- party like a new yorker

- the amazee characters in NY!

- Natalie and her stupid sentimonsters

- Gabriel Agreste has no redeemable qualities

- our favourite teacher is prego (whaaat)

- did I mention cute adrienette

- the ANIMATION , designs and action scenes- simply beautiful

- Ladynoir brotp

- Alya and Nino and their awesome accomplices

- NY superheroes- All of them!

- incorporating all sections of society without making it look as if it was done to fill some quota. The way it was normalised♥️

P.S: I know that this isn't in a particular order, but I just need to put it out there.

SO THAT'S HOW RENA COMMUNICATES WITH THE TEAM!!!!

FUCKING FINALLY!!!

Forcing your time rewinder to try every possible combination of a safe until it opened is kinda messed up

OMG!!! The reverse adrienette umbrella scene!!! 😍

This friendship is everything!!

Y’ALL I CANNOT HANDLE THIS TODAY LOOK AT THEM!!

oh my god that was SOMETHING... the Marigami? Exquisite. The AlyaMari bestfrenship? Beautiful. The rain scene with Kagami? Heartwarming. THE RAIN SCENE WITH ADRIENETTE? SIMPLY STUNNING.